Obi & R2.
*yells*
I don’t seem to remember owning a droid my ass.
As if ObiWan could forget that shiny blue troublemaker.
In my head it goes like this –
Luke (oblivious) : He says he belongs to an Obi-Wan Kenobi. Is he a relative of yours? Etc etc
Ben (distracted and barely paying attention to the conversation): *Former master my ass, you little scrap heap. You’ve never listened to me in your LIFE. I always had to drag Anakin or Ahsoka or Padme away from what they were doing just to get you to talk to the faulty navicomputer when you were in the same damn ship and just as likely to die if I flew use through a star*
R2: *stares blankly and flashes a red indicator light like [[shut up jerkface, I had to convince the kid somehow]]*
Ben (smirking, sarcasm missing Luke by a parsec because sandpeople): I don’t recall ever owning a droid. Very interesting.
R2: [[Missed you, too, asshole]]
Yep, pretty much this.
Tag: obi-wan kenobi
let’s be honest ewan mcgregor has probably sat by the phone with his jedi robes on since they announced the obi wan movie
@swpromptsandasks this has to have happened at some point…
I assumed blind!Obi-Wan keeps everyone apart from their voices and Force signature, but comes to realise that he might have to identify Troopers when they can’t respond to him. He proceeds to grab his way through the entire 212th. He has a lot to say about some peoples haircuts. Cody gets Revenge by telling Obi-Wan about Ahsokas Montrals having grown every time she’s around.
Have you seen this?
*SNERK* I HAD NOT. what makes it is Fives hiding behind his helmet. 😀
Obi-Wan is my Lord, Savior, and Defender of the High Ground.
This got so much more entertaining after he decided it was time to actually portray Jesus in a movie.
Here he is in all his glory, guys: Accidental Space Pirate Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I hold each and every one of you personally responsible: @bodirooks @resistancepilots @albaparthenicevelut @fireflyfish @writegowrite @forcearama @bloodlyshiva
Shame on you for encouraging me!! 😉AMAZING!! I dunno what my favorite part is?? The tiny braid in his swooshy hair. (And the lil bit of grey!!) The gaping tunic. The CLOAK. The half circles symbol on his remaining armor. The definitely non-regulation blaster and the Thigh Holster. Gosh.
This is truly the Obi Wan who accidentally liberated Tatooine from the Hutts. This is truly the Obi Wan who someone gifted a Moon (I mean. Look at him. I too, would give him the moon). This is truly the Obi Wan who is also secretly the Duke of Mandalore and has accidentally started accruing his own empire. Hondo Onaka is Ecstatic.
ACCIDENTAL SPACE PIRATE OBI WHO IS SECRETLY THE DUKE OF MANDALORE!! AND WAS GIFTED A MOON THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH EARLIER BUT NOW USES AS A BASE OF ACCIDENTAL SPACE PIRATE OPERATIONS
Listen. He does the one soresu stance. You know the one.
Except this time, instead of two fingers, there’s this ridiculous non-regulation uncivilized blaster. Mostly sentients are smart enough not to stay and fight, though a lot of them swoon and it’s a bit of a problem, really. Obi Wan wouldn’t just leave someone unconscious in the desert like that, so now they have to be taken care of. With plenty of fluids and the occasional smelling salt, naturally.
Guys… theoretically… if I were to draw a comic-book cover of the imaginary ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi: Accidental Space Pirate’ issue 1… which character/s would be on the cover with him??
Part of me is thinking Jabba’s palace on fire in the distance…
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Dear Lord in heaven I love all of these comments. And I am still 10,000% on board with Accidental Pirate Obi-Wan being gifted a moon.
And yes, @jerseytigermoth, he is totally running from some kind of burning building/explosion in this comic cover.
I do love the idea of Ahsoka being part of his pirate crew. Or a tiny, sassy little Luke Skywalker who’s been brought into the fold. Obviously Hondo would be a strong contender for inclusion here, too. He is LOVING Obi-Wan’s pirate years.
Vader is going to faint when he lays eyes on pirate Obi-Wan. The Empire does not stand a chance.
When Lira Tideen was first assigned to Darth Vader’s personal squadron aboard the Executor she had been so proud that she’d rushed straight back to her bunk and commed her parents. Only best and brightest of the Imperials were assigned to Vader’s detachment (only the most reckless and foolhardy as well, which accounted for Lira’s lack of concern over the future integrity of her windpipe).
Her parents had been less than thrilled of course but that was par for the course.
“Couldn’t you come home and find a career planetside?” Here her mother paused to think of something that might tempt her adrenaline junkie of a daughter into leaving the Death Squadron.
“I hear that stunt podracing is becoming really big.” She’d finished. Her voice didn’t hold very much hope. She’d done her best. Her father had just pinched the bridge of his nose and tilted his head back. He’d largely given up on attempting to prevent his youngest child from finding new and creative ways to die.
Lira had ignored their lack of enthusiasm. Life was going to be properly exciting now. Death defying chases, skirmishes with the really dangerous rebel cells, dogfights… everyone knew that Vader’s personal squadron saw the toughest action. That had been what she thought anyway. Then Republic high general turned rebel, Obi Wan Kenobi had reappeared.
Suddenly the Empire’s toughest troops were reduced to tromping around dusty Outer Rim backwater planets with their blasters set to stun (”The emperor wants him alive,” Vader insisted defensively) collecting “evidence” of Kenobi. This evidence mostly consisted of security footage, ‘Wanted’ signs and suspiciously, issues of the wildly popular flimsi-comic ‘Jedi Master Obi Wan Kenobi: Pirate and Gentleman’ that had sprung up since Kenobi had reappeared.
Even more suspiciously, Vader insisted on spending hours “reviewing” the “evidence” they collected personally. Rumor had it that a stormtrooper had walked in on Vader stroking the hair of a particularly dashing illustration of Kenobi muttering about how “swooshy” his hair was. The trooper had managed to back slowly out while Vader was distracted and thus escaped with his life.
The final straw for Lira though was when they finally caught up with Kenobi. Vader had spent hours locked in his quarters and had come out looking especially dramatic and imposing. Every line of his clothing was immaculately black and straight, it looked like he’d ironed them, his cape was new and made out of a heavier, richer fabric than usual, which allowed it to fall around him in especially dramatic folds, his helmet gleamed.
“Move out,” he’d ordered and he’d sounded almost giddy. Then he’d proceeded to draw out the raid in such a dramatic fashion that there’d been zero rebel casualties. Instead, he and Kenobi had flirted while “fighting” for a solid forty-five minutes. The rebels and stormtroopers had been reduced to shooting each other desperate looks, united in a profound desire to be anywhere else.
“We meet again, Obi Wan, but now the student has become the master,” Vader said. Kenobi had winked (kriffing winked, Lira had to admit, it had been extremely attractive) and flourished his lightsaber in a way that was somehow both deadly and filthily suggestive.
“There is still much I could teach you, Darth,” he said and oh Force his tone was even more suggestive than his, ah, lightsaber. The Togruta female behind him actually face-palmed. Lira sympathized. Stars, did she sympathize. That night, she submitted her resignation to the Imperial fleet and took the first shuttle home. Maybe her mother had a point. A woman could go far stunt podracing these days.
HAHAHAHAHA OH MY GOD THEY WOULD THOUGH.
Can you even imagine what a menace to society PIRATE Kenobi would be though? Like, the winkity-wink flirting stuff would be OUT OF CONTROL. There would be galaxy-wide WARNINGS about this.
I legit laughed out loud at the idea of DARTH VADER SOUNDING “GIDDY”. Also that there would be dimestore novels or comics written about the saucy exploits of Dashing Pirate Kenobi IS KILLING ME. SOMEONE WRITE ONE I WANNA READ ABOUT HOW HE FLIRTS HIS WAY INTO VAST RICHES.
Guys stop I am CACKLING IN THE MIDDLE OF LIFE DRAWING CLASS DURING THE TEA BREAK
THIS IS VERY INAPPROPRIATE
Making people laugh about Star Wars with me is like…pretty much one of my favorite things in the entire world, so…I do not apologize.
If you didn’t want to read about Pirate Kenobi’s Saucy Dime Novel Adventures, then you shouldn’t have drawn him in the first place! I mean, look at that guy! He is Legendary.
He makes men and women swoon from one end of the Galaxy to the other! He liberated Tatooine from the Hutts! His hair is the swooshiest! He owns a moon! At least twelve drinking songs/sea chanteys have been written about his daring adventures across the Outer Rim!
There are all kinds of crazy stories floating around about how even the terrible Sith Lord Darth Vader is not immune to his saucy, flirtatious winks and stirring renditions of old Tatooine love ballads (some claim it’s through Kenobi’s, er, influence that the Empire’s just never seemed to quite be able to finish that long-rumored Death Star project. Vader’s reps had no comment.)
Some say that Kenobi and Ahsoka Tano – one of the most trusted members of Kenobi’s pirate crew and a legend in her own right – were the ones behind the daring heist of the artifacts at the Sheev Palpatine Museum on Naboo. (The artifacts have never surfaced on the black market. Some say they stole them just to burn them.)
For years, gossip columns have said Kenobi is a frequent guest in the bed of the Duchess of Mandalore (there are even rumors that they may be secretly married, and that technically Kenobi is not only a Pirate King, but an actual Duke as well.) The Duchess, for her part, has declined to elaborate as to why so many of the storied pirate’s adventures seem to take him through her part of the galaxy, though she does admit that she is grateful that Kenobi’s crew has gotten the Death Watch out of her hair once and for all.
DUCHESS OF MANDALORE SHENANIGANS!! yes she’s declined to confirm or deny any rumors, but what about the one time the space paparazzi saw her arriving on Kenobi’s moon? they camped out in space around the moon forEVER, and everyone swears the duchess didn’t leave for a week. What were they up to? why was Ahsoka Tano flying up to join them three days after she landed? why was Senator Organa and his family involved too? did this mandalorian retreat have any connection to the rumors of Vader throwing a fit about “not being invited, damn you, Kenobi, I waited for yEARS—”? and if we listen to the more. enthusiastic space tabloids, was this a renewing of their vows or did they only now tie the knot?
It was a beautiful ceremony. Hondo Ohnaka officiated (he got a license on the holonet, I ’s completely legit for sure). Everyone cried when Satine dipped Obi Wan into a long kiss and then the kiss kept going, and going… and going so the crying did turn into wolf-whistling but that only detracted from the dignity of the ceremony a little. Vader did crash it but he was polite and brought a bottle of fine wine and only one squadron of storm troopers, which everyone agreed was pretty restrained of him.
It was the event of the century! Even Bail manages to attend, and with him a tiny princess doing a terrible job of trying to hide her excitement (pirates! ) right up until Flower Boy Luke manages to dump a bucket of space-rose petals on her head. ( they’ve managed to keep his last name hidden, but Kenobi’s tiny accomplice has become rather infamous – mainly for his ability to turn up where least expected. Speculation abounds about his origins – orphaned urchin, the newlyweds’ secret love child, spawn of chaos… )
Leia is of course outraged, and demands he show her around a genuine Pirate ship as recompense. Which is how they discover what is CLEARLY a map to secret treasure and decide it would make the perfect wedding present so they steal Vader’s shuttle and that is how we lead into an epic, galaxy spanning adventure in which Pirate King Kenobi races to recover both the children and the map (it leads to Dagobah) before Vader takes them into custody (even without knowing his identity he knows Vader’s jealousy and Luke’s adorableness means he’ll want to keep Luke as his new apprentice, and that will not end up well for anyone).
There will be firefights! Daring space manouvers! Bounty hunters! Exotic locales full of shady lowlifes and dingy bars! Epic taunting via holocom! Flirting across bottomless chasms while explosions whip capes and hair dramatically behind them!
And in the end Ahsoka and Korkie save the day with the assistance of an ex clone trooper or three 🙂
FLIRTING ACROSS BOTTOMLESS CHASMS 😂😂😂
Now that’s the kind of quality content I’m looking for. Quitting my paying job to spend all my time writing the SW fan comic of the exploits of Accidental Space Pirate Obi-Wan Kenobi for absolutely no income is starting to sound like A Good Life Choice at this point tbh.
… given how amazing your artwork is I could see that working actually!
Look, there are soooo many cliche movie scenes that can be made better with Accidental Pirate King Kenobi :
– the dramatic
sword fightlightsaber duel across the deck as the shipsinksdisintegrates and splits with Vader on one piece clutching a torn piece ofclothingarmour and Obi-Wan on the other, shirtless, as they slowly drift apart.– Obi-Wan and Vader tied back to back in a crude net as
cannibalsEwoks dance around a fire beneath them– Obi-Wan and Ahsoka dressed up as
nobilityimperial higher-ups in order to infiltrate aballsocial gathering for information. Vader is there in his fanciest cape.– The time they have to infiltrate a
brothelseedy cantina and Obi-Wan ends up in a lacy dress– a heart-racing chase through a crowded marketplace, Obi-Wan bouncing off stalls and fruit carts and turning back occasionally to launch sassy quips and shoot down convenient canopies to hinder Vader’s bullish pursuit. Vader of course ends up covered in various foodstuffs while Kenobi gives a jaunty salute as he hangs precariously from his getaway vehicle
– the comedic interlude where Hondo is babysitting and loses Luke in a bar and has to find him before he
gets arrestedis accidentally sold into slaverystarts a riot only to have Kenobi turn up holding the little terror saying “Missing something?“– the drinking contest where Obi-Wan drinks everyone including Rex under the table and waking them up the next morning with cheery singing and banging pots (he cheated of course)
… And many more! I could go on forever 🙂
BRILLIANT @lurkingcrow. And all these scenarios need an artist with the genius to capture Obi Wan’s swooshy hair, artfully exposed chest hair, and sassy expression. *waggles eyebrows @jerseytigermoth*
I am actually jotting down ideas for lyrics for a pirate!Kenobi song, in the spirit of the The Rodian and The Ghest.
Here he is in all his glory, guys: Accidental Space Pirate Obi-Wan Kenobi.
I hold each and every one of you personally responsible: @bodirooks @resistancepilots @albaparthenicevelut @fireflyfish @writegowrite @forcearama @bloodlyshiva
Shame on you for encouraging me!! 😉AMAZING!! I dunno what my favorite part is?? The tiny braid in his swooshy hair. (And the lil bit of grey!!) The gaping tunic. The CLOAK. The half circles symbol on his remaining armor. The definitely non-regulation blaster and the Thigh Holster. Gosh.
This is truly the Obi Wan who accidentally liberated Tatooine from the Hutts. This is truly the Obi Wan who someone gifted a Moon (I mean. Look at him. I too, would give him the moon). This is truly the Obi Wan who is also secretly the Duke of Mandalore and has accidentally started accruing his own empire. Hondo Onaka is Ecstatic.
ACCIDENTAL SPACE PIRATE OBI WHO IS SECRETLY THE DUKE OF MANDALORE!! AND WAS GIFTED A MOON THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH EARLIER BUT NOW USES AS A BASE OF ACCIDENTAL SPACE PIRATE OPERATIONS
Listen. He does the one soresu stance. You know the one.
Except this time, instead of two fingers, there’s this ridiculous non-regulation uncivilized blaster. Mostly sentients are smart enough not to stay and fight, though a lot of them swoon and it’s a bit of a problem, really. Obi Wan wouldn’t just leave someone unconscious in the desert like that, so now they have to be taken care of. With plenty of fluids and the occasional smelling salt, naturally.
Guys… theoretically… if I were to draw a comic-book cover of the imaginary ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi: Accidental Space Pirate’ issue 1… which character/s would be on the cover with him??
Part of me is thinking Jabba’s palace on fire in the distance…
😬
Dear Lord in heaven I love all of these comments. And I am still 10,000% on board with Accidental Pirate Obi-Wan being gifted a moon.
And yes, @jerseytigermoth, he is totally running from some kind of burning building/explosion in this comic cover.
I do love the idea of Ahsoka being part of his pirate crew. Or a tiny, sassy little Luke Skywalker who’s been brought into the fold. Obviously Hondo would be a strong contender for inclusion here, too. He is LOVING Obi-Wan’s pirate years.
Vader is going to faint when he lays eyes on pirate Obi-Wan. The Empire does not stand a chance.
I am so entirely distracted right now.
SHUT UP, YODA, SOME OF US ARE ENJOYING THE VIEW.
can we please talk about obi wan fighting savage AND maul at the same time and WINNING i’m???
soresu might not be offensive but holy hell that doesn’t seem to stop obi wan. THAT FANCY FOOTWORK ON SAVAGE’S KNEE THO.
Obi-Wan is all about restraint, partly because if he were ever to jump in and fight all out, he’d completely destroy his opponents. He keeps it all bottled up, partly because he doesn’t want to see himself as this destructive warrior–it’s a part of himself he’s not very comfortable with. I don’t think Maul expected any of that–to be completely honest, he might realize consciously that Obi-Wan’s a Jedi Master now, but emotionally he still thinks of Obi-Wan as a Padawan. This is the moment when Obi-Wan establishes himself not as a lucky freak occurrence, but a very real threat.
(I think that might actually be a hybrid between Ataru, Soresu and Jar’Kai. It doesn’t even have to be Jar’Kai, though–according to Wookieepedia, Ataru has a double-blade variant, which Obi-Wan might be expected to be familiar with. It doesn’t look very much like Ventress’ Jar’Kai, so it’s probably Ataru, which was Obi-Wan’s preferred style as a Padawan. This is where Obi-Wan varies from Ventress–she can’t put an awful lot of force behind her strikes, so she relies on speed and acrobatics. Obi-Wan is just as acrobatic and agile as Ventress, but there’s a lot more power behind his strikes, which, again, looks more like Ataru than Jar’Kai to me. Ataru is a bit more specialized than Niman, which is the discipline from which Jar’Kai is derived from. Ataru is also, primarily, a martial art; it relies on acrobatics, a bit like parkuor, and could easily be adapted for hand-to-hand combat, and with the complicated leaps and turns it involves a lot of legwork. Not to limit this to a certain series of disciplines, because Obi-Wan is experienced in more than just Soresu, Ataru, and Jar’Kai/Niman. I’m just remarking on how this looks like mostly Ataru to me.)
Bottom line: Obi-Wan is much better prepared for a conflict like the Clone Wars than Ventress is.
(Footnote: My sister remarked while I was reading this out, looking for errors, that it sounded like Obi-Wan’s doing some kind of strange ballet. Ummmmmm… sorta? It is a bit like ballet, yes. There’s definitely a series of stances you have to master to prepare your muscles to learn the actual style… yes, it’s a lot like ballet.)
OKAY BUT
Do you ever think about Obi-Wan learning Ataru from Qui-Gon though?
Like… Qui-Gon’s a pretty big person, tall and muscular, someone you’d expect to practice Djem So with its focus on strength and power instead of Ataru which is primarily speed and agility. Like someone with a height and size advantage against most opponents would probably benefit from the heavy swings in Form V.
… You know what he probably learned Ataru just to fuck with his opponents. Let’s be honest here. It would be a classic Qui-Gon Jinn move.
Qui-Gon’s specialty in Ataru just pleases me to no end. Because the man is so massive, a form like Ataru is not what you’d expect. But on the other hand, when someone his size actually masters the form, can you imagine the sheer momentum behind his blade? He’s going to be landing power strikes that don’t look like power strikes, which is just going to further confuse his opponent.
Also let’s be real, besides the fact that this would seriously fuck with an adversary’s ability to predict him, I can only imagine that a refined Makashi master like Dooku would find a form as kinetic and flashy as Ataru downright distasteful. Imagine how frustrated he would have been once he realized his padawan was dead set on fighting like a damn circus performer. And imagine how often Qui-Gon just delighted in pushing that button whenever he could.
(okay this has also got me thinking about young Qui-Gon and why he might have gravitated to this form in the first place. Qui-Gon probably had a super awkward adolescence, growing into that kind of size can leave you all arms and legs of varying confusing proportions for a few years. He might have initially practiced Ataru just to force himself to maintain precise control of his body, to know exactly where his hands and feet are, to know exactly where his center of balance is, and to be perpetually refining his reflexes as his body grows. But, once he hits his full adult size, yeah he could switch to a more ‘appropriate’ form, or he could keep doing what he’s doing. Yeah he’s a giant bear man, but he’s a bear man who managed to practice Ataru during his awkward colt phase, like “Yeah I’m kinda big for this, but I’m gonna be the same big forever now? this is easy” because while Ataru might not normally be designed for someone of his body type, he spent years making it work for his body type, and now he’s created something extremely effective that’s also going to have the bonus of always giving him an element of surprise in battle.)
and then imagine him training poor Obi-Wan and having absolutely no sympathy for the difficulty of the form: “But Master I’m jumping just as high as you are, and I actually hit the platform before you did – Yeah but I’m twice your size, so you better be jumping twice as high and hitting the platform in half the time – D8″
Which brings us back to sheer lethality Obi-Wan can whip out when he wants to. The saber heritage he’s coming from is perfect for the battles he later fights. He’s got all the kinetic energy and athleticism from practicing Ataru for over ten years, but it’s going to be a very refined form of Ataru. Dooku is still going to have insisted that Qui-Gon study some Makashi, which is all about refinement, but Qui-Gon’s particular brand of Ataru (because I am keeping this headcanon) also requires complete awareness of your own body and utter precision in your movements.** And precision is what Soresu is all about.
So, ten years later and Obi-Wan has switched styles and become the master (not a master, the master, as Mace Windu very strongly insisted) of Soresu, a form with an impenetrably tight defense that essentially makes its user untouchable while they wait for the perfect moment to counter-strike. And once Obi-wan does see his moment, BAM out comes these perfectly executed Ataru moves with a surprising amount of force behind them. It also starts showing against opponents that he knows he has to press the offensive with, or when he starts losing some of his perfected self-control. You can see that in his fight with Maul and Savage. I mean, for fuck’s sake look at these gifs [x] His style is radically different in that fight than it normally is, he’s jumping, flipping, twisting all over the place. And a momentum-driven power strike is exactly what he delivers to Savage’s knee there at the end. He’s using Soresu principles to successfully fend off two opponents at once, but this duel is otherwise almost pure Ataru, and it’s vicious.
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and it’s this kind of precise body awareness that lets Obi-wan take one look at an embankment, his opponent’s size and strength, and immediately conclude exactly how high any potential jump or flip will take him, and also allows him to dismember a man mid-spin without touching the rest of himI forget if this is canon or otherwise but didn’t Obi-Wan learn Soresu because of Ataru’s lack of defensive capabilities?
My personal headcanon aligns with yours perfectly in that Obi’s tactical mindset uses Soresu’s breathing space to analyze the fight and attack the opponent"s weak point!
Like I’ve always seen Obi as not particularly physically strong (not to say that he isn’t strong, just that it’s not something that goes beyond the pale for a Jedi Master e.g. Pong Krell) but someone who waits like a viper for the perfect moment to strike. Couple that with Qui-Gon’s unorthodox training methods and combat styles handed down to him through years of experience and you have an extremely versatile Jedi who adapts perfectly to fights!
(Well. Almost perfectly. Shoutout to Dooku’s absolutely SICK Makashi. Honestly that style just… *fans self*)
Yup that’s canon! (or well, “used to be” technically, but all the EU stuff’s still canon to me so idaf lol) Stover *really* dug into saber forms a lot in his novelization of Revenge of the Sith, and one of the things he talks about is Obi-Wan switching to studying Soresu after Qui-Gon’s death. In general tho, Ataru has very strong offensive capabilities, but all that movement and those big sweeping gestures it uses can leave openings. Openings that against most opponents won’t be a problem, but against another Force sensitive saber duelist? Suddenly those openings can become deadly. I imagine that’s also part of why Obi-Wan switched, not just because he’d seen one of the form’s weaknesses exploited, but because if the Sith really are back, the Jedi aren’t only going to be fighting criminals and warlords with blasters anymore; they need to prepare to be fighting other lightsabers, and the defensive nature of Soresu was how Obi-Wan responded to that. And it’s also in Stover’s book that Windu calls him the master of the style and quite stridently argues that Obi-Wan might be the only Jedi in the Order who can defeat Grievous.
And I totally agree! Obi-Wan is going to be very strong for his size, but he’s still….his size lol. So he makes up for it in other ways, by making sure nobody can touch him until he suddenly strikes, but also by engaging their mind. Obi-Wan turns fights into mental battles as much as physical battles, which is why he talks so damn much when fighting haha. And in that arena, Obi-Wan is without equal, so he can really tip a fight in his favor by coming at his opponent from multiple angles.
And hnnnng Makashi. I really liked that they pushed the dueling/fencing angle of Dooku’s style in the show
Okay okay, but here me out…
After reading all this I want a canon comic/novel/whatever to focus on Dooku training Qui-Gon. All this stuff from lightsaber combat differences (I particularly liked the comment about Dooku wishing his apprentice wouldn’t be jumping around like a circus performer) to the canon fact that both Dooku and Qui-Gon were seen as idealists who butted heads with the Jedi Council.
I’d like something like that. Maybe even get more info on what a Yoda/Dooku apprenticeship was like.
I’d run across a source somewhere that said Ataru was specifically considered a good counter to Makashi. This does make some amount of sense: Makashi is about holding back the opponent until you can disarm them, exploiting an imperfection in their form. Ataru is about a powerful opening burst, which could, when done right, overwhelm a Form II fighter’s reserve. And if it’s Qui-Gon, with enough power in his strokes to fell a mynock? Good luck, Form II, he’ll tire you out before you have a chance with him.
Qui-Gon essentially took Dooku’s strategy and turned it on its head.
My favourite was putting that tidbit with a few I’d picked up from @deadcatwithaflamethrower‘s ReEntry: the fact that, when Qui-Gon’s relationship with his Master was especially rocky, he went to Grandmaster Yoda. And guess what Yoda’s specialty is? Right ye are, Ataru. Yoda, with his smaller size and greater agility, probably ran Padawans ragged if they asked for a lesson. The idea of Yoda teaching Qui-Gon more or less exactly how to be able to stand up against his Padawan really tickles.
I have only one thing to add to this however, Obi-Wan is 5′10. He’s not small omg. He’s just… unfortunately surrounded by lots of tall ass mammoth people who obviously have a wookiee in their family fucking tree. So by the time he gets to 22, he’s got the height and most of the physical strength he’s gonna have for at least a decade or two, to be downright terrifying with Ataru.
And he technically doesn’t even need to be all that strong with an attack. Momentum and energy from a jump can make any strike pretty devastating – this holds pretty true in most martial arts, hand-to-hand or with a weapon. One of the most devastating fights I’ve seen was between this giant hulk of a lad and a slip of a girl who not only used speed for her attacks, but also her momentum. Spinning kicks use your momentum as well speed to basically send your opponent flying if you connect (personal experience btw: it fucking HURTS to get kicked in the jaw damn it).
Ataru is agile as hell and requires a lot of energy, one hell of a load of stamina and the awareness of your body – literally, if you don’t know your body well enough, trying any sort of athletic activity like jump kicks and stuff, literally fucking the most dangerous thing you can do sometimes (again, personal experience).
Obi-Wan’s skill at collating a variety of saber forms and being trained enough in them all that he can combine them literally on the fly is an amazing trait. It’s not something I think is unique to Obi-Wan – Anakin and Mace I imagine were both quite good at switching forms here and there (especially Anakin because no formal training) – but I do think he was literally one of the only Jedi to take it to the extremes because of his fear of watching someone else die in front of him.
I know the idea about Obi-Wan being called Sith Killer (or Sith Slayer, perhaps?) has been done before but what about this:
After Naboo, Obi-Wan becomes known as the Sith Killer in the Order. It makes him uncomfortable but he can’t get people to stop calling him that; even before he had killed Maul, he had already defeated two Darksiders (Xanatos and Bruck) so after this, his status as that really cool, badass Jedi to emulate just skyrockets, especially among the newly Knighted and all the Padawans and Initiates. It’s also pretty clear from the fire in his eyes that he is deadset on finding the other Sith. Other young Knights are eager to help – it starts with his friends Bant, Garen, and Reeft: Whenever they’re on a mission, they also look for clues about Dark Side activity; sometimes they’ll follow up on those leads after their official Council-assigned mission ends and then hand that information to Obi-Wan, who’s compiling them. More and more Knights and even young Masters start doing that. Soon, Obi-Wan unofficially is the head of the Sith Hunting Task Force.
Anyway, so Anakin becomes known as the Padawan of the Sith Killer, not the Chosen One (how many Jedi even knew that Qui-Gon thought he was the Chosen One? He only told the Council about it, after all, not made a general Temple-wide announcement). The Jedi are a little flummoxed at first about Obi-Wan taking on a non-Temple raised Padawan but then they’re like, okay, well, this is the Sith Killer. If he wants to do things differently, who are we to tell him no? It’s not like any of us have encountered, fought, or defeated a Sith. And maybe that’s even the better way to do things??? Bringing on people who have life experience outside the Order so they can bring new ideas in?
Every time Anakin does things that they don’t expect, or show more emotion and passion than they’re taught to allow, they’re just like….well, he is the Sith Killer’s Padawan. Obviously the Sith Killer is teaching him differently. Maybe this is how Obi-Wan was able to kill a Sith himself???
(Some enterprising Padawan managed to get their hands on the footage of the fight from Naboo and they all watched it. Obi-Wan was obviously feeling a lot of anger and fear during his fight, and then he calmed himself at the end and managed to defeat his opponent. So Emotions, then peace becomes the new motto for this generation of apprentices.)
Everyone starts trying to befriend Anakin. All the other Padawans start trying to be more like him. He’s passionately speaking out about slavery? Well, they will too then. Obviously, slavery is an evil that will lead people to Fall. It should be stopped. He talks openly about his attachment to his mother? Well, attachment must be okay then. (And they remember from that video that Obi-Wan was obviously very attached to Qui-Gon so there’s another point in favor of attachments.)
Some overly enthusiastic Padawan also hacks into the Temple records and finds out about Obi-Wan’s fights with Bruck as an Initiate. And everyone’s like, even then, he must have somehow known that Bruck was going to Fall. So people all try to avoid getting into fights with Anakin cuz like, if they do, does that mean that they’re going to Fall? Anakin’s the Sith Killer’s Padawan, after all. There must be something special about him. What if he too can tell when someone’s gonna Fall and that’s why he’s fighting with them?
So that’s how Obi-Wan and Anakin inadvertently change the Order. The Council starts noticing that something’s changing but they can’t manage to stop it or reverse it. The younger Knights, Padawans, and Initiates have stopped thinking of them as the all-knowing wise senior members of the Order and started seeing them as the old guard clinging to outdated traditions – none of them have ever fought a Sith or seen one in person, after all. Few of them even go on missions anymore. They just sit in their tower handing out assignments and reprimanding Jedi for not following their Code.
I’ve been thinking about this some more and I feel like the logical next step for a group of Padawans intent on ending slavery and emulate the Sith Killer is to of course sneak off to Tatooine and free the slaves. After all, Obi-Wan didn’t talk about defeating the Sith; he just did it. He hadn’t just talked about helping out the Young on Melida/Daan, he did help them. The Sith Killer takes action to right wrongs and fight evil, he doesn’t just preach about the wrongs.
It takes awhile for the small group of them to all have leave at the same time so it’s not until Anakin’s around 13 that they’re able to sneak off of Coruscant and to Tatooine. They have something of a plan – Anakin’s been thinking of ways to free the slaves for as long as he can remember; having the unplanned but welcome addition of several Force users should make it even easier.
Anyway, they manage to start a slave revolution (how I haven’t yet figured out) and after, the Council is livid. They reprimand the Padawans severely but the Padawans find that it’s hard to regret what they had done when there’s thousands of freed slaves thanking them for helping them and tearfully reuniting with family and being so happy and relieved that they don’t have to live in fear of their lives.
When the Council finally asks them why they had done it, the Padawans are just like “It’s what Master Kenobi would have done.”
Mace’s eye twitches.
The Council reprimanding the Padawans for starting the slave revolution might do more harm than good, in the long run. The Padawans say that it’s what Obi-Wan would have done, but they also know that it was the right thing to do. The Jedi Order is famed for breaking the Zygerrian’s slave empire and once having no tolerance for slavery, but now the Jedi Council is bleating about politics and the problems caused by the breaking of the Hutts’ stranglehold over Tatooine?
“So…” one Padawan, a Twi’lek girl of about fifteen, says slowly with a steely sharp gaze, “you’re saying that it’s better to leave thousands of people in bondage to preserve political and economic stability than to free those people and end the barbaric practice enslaving sentient beings?”
There is dead silence in the Council chambers.
This is when Obi-Wan decides that if he’s going to be a role model to these Padawans, despite his personal feelings on the matter, he may as well try to make sure they learn a few things. (And possibly avert a mutiny among the Jedi, but that’s honestly a lesser consideration right now.) “The question is not whether slavery is conscionable,” he tells the Padawan regarding the Council with a mulish eye. “The question is whether freeing the slaves this way has destabilized the region so much that they are in further danger. Do they have sufficient resources, in the form of food, water, housing, and transportation? What about medical supplies, or access to medical training? Do they have the means to protect themselves from retaliation by their former captors? Is there a legal framework in place to prevent their further exploitation?
If they choose to emigrate, do they have the documentation to do so?”
He has their attention now. Some of this isn’t new, it’ll have been discussed in their courses, but some of it only time in the field can teach.
“There are other questions to consider,” he says, ignoring the eyes of the Council as everyone in the room stares at him. “For example, how likely is it that former slaves will strike against their captors, furthering the bloodshed? Is the conflict resolved, or is it waiting for the merest excuse to break out again?”
The Padawans consider this, glancing among each other. “Then,” one says, a humanoid boy going through his growth spurt, all legs and arms, “the problem is that we didn’t plan thoroughly enough.” He nods, then turns it into a little bow, one that’s quickly copied by the others. “Thank you, Master Kenobi, for the lesson. We will not make that mistake again.”
Anakin, tucked among the other Padawans, is smiling at his master.
Obi-Wan smiles back and then addresses the group again. “Again? Yes, that’s very well and good. But I don’t believe you’re quite done with this time.” At everyone’s questioning glances – the Padawans curious, the Council’s dismayed – he arches his brow. “Well, you’ve freed the people of Tatooine. That’s only half the battle. Now, you must help them build infrastructure. So. Who will go back to Tatooine to help with this task? Anakin and I will go, of course. Who else?”
Every Padawan in the group raises their hand eagerly.
And so for the next year, they get hands-on experience working with the freed slaves on Tatooine helping them set up their government. (Anakin spends his free time with his mother. Obi-Wan spends his hunting down leads on the Sith in the Outer Rim.)
Yoda starts hearing Qui-Gon’s force ghost just like in the Clone Wars, but this time it’s just hysterical laughter and “I can’t believe you thought my padawan would be traditional BHAHAAHAHA!!!”
Anakin pushes and manages to get Shmi made the new senator for Tattoine. With her on Coruscant most of the time, they see each other frequently. She and Padme become best friends, and Palpatine never manages to win Anakin over because he already has friends and family to confide in.
The war does start, but Dooku refuses to take part. He’s still not willing to rejoin the Jedi Order, but he doesn’t feel the need to destroy them. They seem to be going in the right direction, and it’s a fitting memorial to his padawan that Obi-Wan is leading all the younglings down the path of Grey Jedi. Without Dooku and Ventress to keep people in line the Separatists fall apart fairly fast, especially since there are a lot of hardcore badasses from Tattooine MORE than happy to join up with the Republic forces.
Obi-Wan’s padawan followers all fall in love with the Clones, and make sure they’re all able to leave the military if they want to and they all have dual citizenship on Tattooine and Naboo. Several turn out to be highly force-sensitive, and they get adopted into the Order. The Council tries to object, but Obi-Wan points out that, due to the accelerated growth on Kamino, the Clones technically fall within the age limit.
Jango Fett, seeing that his clones are being treated well and carrying on a (highly modified) form of his people’s culture, finally forgives the Jedi and disappears into the Outer Rim rather than engaging in any more wars.
Between Dooku’s warming toward the Order and Jango Fett’s forgiveness, it suddently becomes A LOT easier for Obi-Wan and co. to track down the Sith Lord. Palpatine dies in a mysterious “accident” two weeks later.
At some point, Maul also has to get taken care of again. And hopefully permanently this time. And perhaps Dooku will still train Ventress, but not in the Dark. I can’t remember what issues Jango had with the Order, though, that he needed to forgive them?
Anyway, also adding these tags from @jahaliel, whose reblog I have been meaning to reblog for the longest time:
also poor council perhaps some of the council and older masters come around to the idea and offer casual advice to their padawans (current or knighted) about infrastructure or medical help or supply chains just casually dropping that information out there – it will get to those who need it a healthy happy jedi order would be a lot harder for sidious to dismantle and if the jedi are out there doing good then public opinion might start swinging back in their favour? idk i have a lot of feels about this
Yes, definitely some of the Council and older Masters help out. It starts with the ones whose Padawans want to follow Obi-Wan and Anakin to Tatooine after freeing the slaves because of course, their Masters would accompany them and they probably end up setting up a temporary remote Temple there since there’s so many of them there and they need a place to stay and gather and meditate and continue with classes and training.
And I don’t know that it’s necessarily the “doing good” piece that’s important for public opinion so much as it is being more visible, so that the public understands them more and doesn’t think of them as scary mysterious enforcers of the Republic law who have superpowers and can’t be killed and can make you do whatever they want you to do.
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